Je 118D lepší než 120D?

Just wondering really as their is about 50bhp between them.

Is it just a different map ?
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Ross1308 said:

Just wondering really as their is about 50bho between them.

Is it just a different map ?
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Hi Ross . the major difference between the 2 is that the 118d is normally aspirated and the 120d is turbocharged, hence the extra power output. As for the more technical differences i will leave it to others on the site and i am sure there will be many replies with more information than me

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118d is turbo as well isn’t it ?

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Ross1308 said:
118d is turbo as well isn’t it ?
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Ross1308 said:
118d is turbo as well isn’t it ?

Yes you are right mate, it is. Sorry for the duff information. I always thought that was the main difference between the two. I look forwards to finding out the answer to your question myself.

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Lol got worried then, from what I know they have different inlets. Unsure about the rest.

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Pretty sure they have different turbos.

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Pretty sure they have different turbos.

Surely there must be more than just a few minor differences. There would seem to be little point in making the 2 different models otherwise

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golfer said:
Pretty sure they have different turbos.

Surely there must be more than just a few minor differences. There would seem to be little point in making the 2 different models otherwise

Not quite. In Norway you pay import tax depending on engine power. So they offer different «tuning levels» on some cars. Like the new 5-series. Standard 520d has 184 hp (I think), but in Norway you can also get a 163 hp version. The latter is exactly the same car, but it has been remapped to lower the power and thus the price of the car. The remap is named «Option 843 Engine Layout», and it saves you more than £3000.

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Theres not a 50bhp difference either..
No you are right. I think its 143bhp vs 177bhp

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golfer said:
Pretty sure they have different turbos.

Surely there must be more than just a few minor differences. There would seem to be little point in making the 2 different models otherwise

Not quite. In Norway you pay import tax depending on engine power. So they offer different «tuning levels» on some cars. Like the new 5-series. Standard 520d has 184 hp (I think), but in Norway you can also get a 163 hp version. The latter is exactly the same car, but it has been remapped to lower the power and thus the price of the car. The remap is named «Option 843 Engine Layout», and it saves you more than £3000.

So what is stopping you saving £3000 and then having the car remapped again ogee, or are they very hot on that in Norway ?

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Both have 2 litre engines, but I think the differences are in the components.
Smaller Turbo Charger, different profile camshaft, smaller injectors (not sure if all are changed) but that’s why it cannot be remapped to what a 120d can achieve.

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The main difference is that the 118d uses simpler solenoid injectors, giving 3 controlled injections per cycle and operating at a lower 1600bar. The 120d had more sophisticated piezoelectric injectors that give five precise injections, operating at 1800bar. So it can more fuel at the exact right time, giving more power in a more refined fashion. Of course fuel pump and engine managment are also different to reflect these changes. Additionally, the 120d has a higher turbo pressure but not much (1,55 bar vs 1,50 bar).

Also relevant, is that the 120d has a beefier gearbox (ZF instead of Getrag) and has (somewhat) better brakes.

As always, my advice when buying it makes more sense to get a 120d before a 118d. BMW did the tuning for you and the hardware differences are there, no hassles with warranty/insurance and come resale you will recover most of the outlay, usually not the case for a remap. When doing a remap, you must understand that it always is an increased risk and you should be prepared to back that decision financially in case it goes wrong.

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Piezo injectors are pricey buggers too

Basically a crystal that changes it’s state when a current is passed over it, same as they use in the 170 golf tdi, very clever

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Hiya i was looking for the answer to this question too, some member’s have answered some of my question. But which 1 series is better the 118d or the 120d. Most of the 1 series that are on sale are 118d’s so was wondering if the 120d get sold quicker because their a better car?

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Candy said:

Hiya i was looking for the answer to this question too, some member’s have answered some of my question. But which 1 series is better the 118d or the 120d. Most of the 1 series that are on sale are 118d’s so was wondering if the 120d get sold quicker because their a better car?

At the end of the day, it’s down to personal choice I would think. The 120d isn’t necessarily a better car, but if you can afford the 120d I’d go for that over the 118d, but like all these things, it’s swings and roundabouts, as what you get with one you don’t with the other. I know that’s a poor answer, but without going into great detail, I’d suggest popping into your local dealer and picking up some brochures, which will explain all to you, plus having a long chat with the sale staff, bearing in mind they’ll possibly attempt to flog the more expensive version but at least you’ll get some information which should help you make up your mind. Alternatively, visit BMW.co.uk and have a read. My apologies if that doesn’t help, but I’m no expert, just feel this is a question that could go on forever, with 118d owners arguing the toss over 120d owners.

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Buy a 123d and youve solved the problem ! haha

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Ross1308 said:
Buy a 123d and youve solved the problem ! haha

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IMHO it all depends on your budget and the type of motoring you do. For many a 118d will be more than adequate. However, I wish I had the budget to run a 123d.

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Candy said:

Hiya i was looking for the answer to this question too, some member’s have answered some of my question. But which 1 series is better the 118d or the 120d. Most of the 1 series that are on sale are 118d’s so was wondering if the 120d get sold quicker because their a better car?

I’d guess there are more 118d’s for sale as it’s a great compromise between performance and economy. Company car drivers like it as it attracts only 13% BIK

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I thought I’d give my take on the 118d 120d situation.

I test drove the 116d, 118d and 120d prior to buying my first 1er. Firstly, I was driving a 2010 Civic 2.2CDTi at the time so you get an idea of what I was used to in terms of performance etc.

The 116d felt a little «rough» when driven and needed to be worked quite hard for a diesel car (I’ve previously owned a C4 1.6HDi which felt much more refined). However, it didn’t feel as slow as the 0-60mpg figures would suggest. Into the 118d, the engine felt instantly more sure-footed and stronger at the lower end of the rev range. Performance was very similar to the Civic however the 118d didn’t need to be worked half as hard. In gear acceleration felt strong however 6th gear didn’t offer much in the way of performance. Into the 120d, the engine felt more refined and certainly more powerful when worked hard. The difference wasn’t as marked as between the 116 and 118d but was certainly noticable when pushed on in 6th for example. Sadly I didn’t get the opportunity to become a 123d test pilot but it was out of my budget anyhow.

Taking everything into account, I went for the 118d based upon the balance between performance and price. That’s not to say I wouldn’t have gone for the 120d if cost was not an option. Afterall, if there were no differences between the models, BMW wouldn’t offer them.

I am looking at 2 Beemers,

One is a 118d manual SE with quite a lot of extras including Start/Stop, Pro Sat Nav, heated seats etc, but missing a few things I really want, most importantly Blue Tooth preparation for pairing a mobile phone to it

Other is a 120d M-Sport Auto, again with lots of extras, mainly the same as the above plus Bluetooth prep, and a few other things too (like memory seats), the Bluetooth prep is important to me, but so is fuel economy and it doesn;t have the start/stop

All the reviews says the 118d is the one to go for, but this is a private purchase, not company purchase, so Road Tax is issue not company car tax.

How do they compare with respect to Insurance Group, Road Tax for private user?

Real world fuel economy register shows very little difference between them.

Other issue is the sports suspension versus the standard suspension, but only I can answer that one myself based upon personal preference.

St 15. února 2012 13:07

Tried both before buying the 118D. Both were manual and the 120D did have a bit more performance but in the real world the 118D is well quick enough. Ours is the 143bhp model with stop/start.

Road tax on 118d manual is £30 PA, on 120d auto its £130. Official combined on 118d is 62.8 mpg, we get 48 mpg approx. The 120d auto has a combined of 52.3, expect to get 40 mpg max.

Insurance costs me £220 PA with full NCB protected.

We specifiaclly avoided the M-Sport suspension as it totally ruins the ride especially with the 18″ run flats. Ours is on 17″ wheels and the ride is fine, better with 16″ wheels like the SE should have.

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